- 'Safe Homes' Network Makes Sense for L.A. : City can learn from Santa Clarita's child protection efforts
- COMPUTER GAMES REVIEW : A New Kind of Tilt on Pinball Wizardy : The old standby has been PC-ized. The games are fun but don't quite capture the real experience.
- For Fulton Student, Holocaust Simulation Taught Vital Lessons
- Moorlach Comments Raise Concerns
- Whatever Happened to Starting at Bottom?
- Measure R: Solving the Problem or Perpetuating It?
- Coughlin Commendation
- Their Doctors May Be Foreign-Born, But Rural America Says 'Welcome!' : Medicine: New federal rule allows each state to sponsor as many as 20 foreign physicians, provided they meet licensing requirements and agree to practice in rural areas, where doctor shortage is chronic.
- Mean-Spirited Vote Against School Bond
- 'Truth in Advertising' Is Just the Ticket
- MEANS TEST
- Dogging the Critics
- Filipino Vets Applaud Story on Their Plight
- Firms Should Go Back to Workplace Contract
- Blaming All Our Ills on 'Gangsta Rap'
- A LITTLE WILD FIRING
- It's Time for Change in Cellular Industry
- Tourists Must Race to See Rangoon at Its Exotic Best : Myanmar: 'Progress' is apparent in the romantic metropolis as colonial buildings fall to bulldozers and high-rises pierce the skyline. 'In the next 10 years, Rangoon will be like Bangkok,' one developer predicts.
- TAKE YOUR BEST SHOT
- L.A. School District
- Reseda Ridge Project Destroys Parklands
- BACK TO THE FUTURE : ...
- BACK TO THE FUTURE : ...
- LOVE STORIES
- Generation Gap in Modern Economics
- McKeon 'Drill' a Phony Attempt to Boost Image
- FIE ON FOPPISHNESS
- It's a Dam Site Better for Tourists, but Not for Bill-Payers : Nevada: Hoover Dam visitors won't swelter in the sun after Wednesday, when $123-million center is due to open. But bureaucrats may feel the heat for exceeding initial estimate by nearly 300%. Power customers will pay.
- GOP Should Try to Work With Allen
- Silva Consistent in Opposition to Taxes
- A TIME TO FIGHT
- Reagans' Rebellious Daughter Reconciles With Her...
- CLASS OF ONE
- GAIN Program
- Street Savvy
- Permanent Oil-Drilling Ban Needed
- Mayor Riordan and the LAPD
- Recycling Scavengers Steal From Taxpayers
- Holden's Remarks
- Inventor of Leaf Blower Guilty of Noise Torture
- Teen-Age Mother
- Willie Brown
- MIDDLE EAST POLITICS
- DRIVEN
- Wetlands: 'Friends' Sought for Valued Site
- Toll Roads a Waste
- Rafter Rescue Group Alters Tactics to...
- Binion Project
- WILLIAM EYTHE
- MISSED THE MARK
- Jailing Homeless
- Traveling in Style
- Japanese and War Apology
- Prints, Reproductions: Clarifying Differences
- ROCK OF AGES
- How About an Award for the Boss of Bosses?
- Obituaries - June 18, 1995
- NONFICTION - June 18, 1995
- NONFICTION - June 18, 1995
- NONFICTION - June 18, 1995
- NONFICTION - June 18, 1995
- NONFICTION - June 18, 1995
- NONFICTION - June 18, 1995
- NONFICTION - June 18, 1995
- Swedish Architects Massage the Silver Wind
- GETTING BOOSTED: Despite all the hoopla surrounding...
- Center of Attention : City Hall Provides Sleek Backdrop for Culvers City's Redevelopment
- 3 Teen-Agers Shot, Wounded at Graduation Party in Oxnard : Violence: The disturbance began when uninvited youths, believed to be gang members from La Colonia, arrived and fought with rivals, witnesses say.
- BAT TEST: Valley residents may hear a...
- Yeltsin's View of Chechnya Fails to Sway G-7 Leaders
- Separate Fires in Oxnard Area Leave 34 Homeless
- MIDDLE EAST : Mubarak Tries to Muzzle Egypt Press--but He May Get Bitten
- VENTURA : Fitness Guru Raises Pulses of Adoring Fans
- HUNTINGTON BEACH : Storytelling Festival to Launch Program
- Jackson Promises Disclaimer in Future 'HIStory' Albums : Pop music: Lyrics that the singer says target racism and bigotry have come under fire from Jewish groups.
- FURNISHINGS : From the Mansions to the Museums
- Allen Fires 10 GOP Staffers Loyal to Brulte : Politics: The Assembly Speaker says they did not 'adapt well to the new program.' One accuses her of trying to 'neuter' the Republican Caucus.
- Traffic Deaths Rise, Countering Trend
- 7 in 2nd Scout Troop Achieve Eagle Rank
- AMERICAN LEGION NOTEBOOK : All-Stars to See the Light
- Pop Music Reviews : Radiohead on a Raucous New Wavelength at Palace
- Hit Ditty No Artwork to Rembrandts : Pop Beat: Their catchy, hit theme for TV's 'Friends'--'I'll Be There for You'--isn't the group's usual fare, but they won't look a gift horse in the mouth.
- BANKING
- AEROSPACE
- MATERIALS : Has Gravity Got Your Wall Hangings Down? Fasteners Can Help
- Charles Bennett; Writer of Hitchcock Films
- Democrats Preserve Wage Supports in Bill : Senate: Republicans are stymied in effort to exempt federal highway projects from workers' pay rules in Davis-Bacon Act. It's a victory for labor.
- Community Essay : Three Strikes: 'Hope Fades to Black'
- ANAHEIM : Youth Meal Program Starts Its Fifth Year
- LA HABRA : Utility Tax to Help Balance City Budget
- 'Out-of-Season' Storm Catches Some by Surprise : Weather: Front drops snow in local mountains and causes minor accidents. The county has received three times the average June rainfall in the past two days.
- Tabasco Cat Retired After Tendon Injury
- Art Stars Are Back, on a Bigger Canvas : Commentary: As prominent painters of '80s turn to film, the art world suffers. The misleading message remains: go for the gold.
- BASEBALL / DAILY REPORT : DODGERS : 200 Managers Gone, Lasorda Still Here
- Pop Music Reviews : Orb's Live Techno Groove Tough to Beat
- Hearing Delayed for 3 Youths in Stabbing
- School Strives to Let Girls Be in a Class by Themselves : Education: Founders of a new Pacific Palisades institution say students will benefit from single-gender classes.
- Salt Lake City Has Smooth Sledding : Olympics: After a long quest, Utah city is an easy choice by the IOC for the 2002 Winter Games.
- Nicklaus Brings Back Rare Days of the 80s : Golf: He misses the cut with an 81 and hopes to get another special exemption for his 40th Open next year.
- TV Networks Poised to Make Bids
- BERNIE MILLIGAN ALL-STAR BASEBALL GAME : Nix Won't Pitch In for West : Decision: Monroe ace, who has signed with Oakland A's, will skip today's game.
- BASEBALL / DAILY REPORT : ANGELS : Rainout Doesn't Impress Lachemann
- Storm Ruins as Much as 10% of Fresno Crops : Agriculture: One expert predicts state's output of nectarines, peaches and plums will now be 70% below 1994 levels.
- LOS ANGELES : MTA Chairman Calls for Control of Cost Overruns
- Electronics Manufacturer Receives $250,000 Boost : Economy: The Van Nuys company gets help from Commerce Department's defense conversion project.
- WESTMINSTER : Voluntary Dress Code Set for Four Schools
- From Obscurity to Major Player : Paul Nussbaum Answered Call, Quickly Became CEO's 'Alter Ego'
- GLENDALE : Council to Continue Work on City Budget
- Hambly Humble About Volleyball Future
- VENTURA : Investment Ripens With Eatery's Debut
- Security Council Approves Special Armed Force of 12,500 for Bosnia : Balkans: Republican misgivings delay OK of European-led contingent, embarrass Clinton.
- China Recalls Envoy to U.S. as Ties Worsen
- VAN NUYS : Youths, Deaf Children to Attend Concert
- OJAI : Motion Denied in Child-Abuse Case
- New Extension Recommended for Lopez Dump : Waste: Bureau of Sanitation wants five years. Board's one-year recommendation may appease some foes.
- Wonder What She Does After the Late News? : Books: Mystery fan Kelly Lange's been going home to her computer. Her first novel, 'Trophy Wife,' set in L.A.'s garment industry, has just been published by Simon & Schuster.
- Oxnard Firm's Expansion to Add 300 Jobs
- U.S. OPEN : Norman on Cutting Edge With Two-Shot Margin : Golf: He pulls out a special shot for a birdie on 18th hole and a 67. Ozaki is the closest pursuer.
- This Runner Could Deliver a Big Effort
- Kindling Burnin' Interest : Pop music: Still waiting for a major label, the O.C. band releases a promising CD and builds its local following.
- Weekend TV : Parodies of 'Twilight Zone' Provide the Treats on USA
- Daily News Owner Calls Off 13-Month Search for Buyer
- FINANCIAL MARKETS : Dow Gains 14.52, Passing 4,500 Barrier
- Developers Trying to Make Asian Buyers Feel at Home in Southland
- Stanton Unveils Alternative to Tax Hike; CEO Fires Back
- O.C. IN BANKRUPTCY : County Gets Go-Ahead to Sell $155 Million in Long-Term Bonds
- Russian Troops Storm Hospital Held by Chechens : Conflict: Assault halted after dozens killed or wounded. Rebels reportedly used hostages as shields. Some of the estimated 2,000 captives freed. Officials debate next move.
- Battles Rock Sarajevo as Conflict Widens
- Charges Filed Against Anaheim Surgeon : Inquiry: Medical board alleges he caused one patient to bleed to death and gave another an unneeded mastectomy.
- MAKING A DIFFERENCE: Angel Flight : Air Givers
- Orange County Almanac
- Anaheim Expected to Repeal Park Ban on Drug Offenders
- THOROUGHBRED RACING : Gilchrist Has His Big Horses in Inglewood
- Knott's Jaguar!: A Mild Animal : Attraction review: The roller coaster, which opens today, won't thrill the hard core, but it's got enough pounce to bring a smile.
- INSURANCE
- FINANCIAL MARKETS : Dow Gains 14.52, Passing 4,500 Barrier
- Firm Gets Aid to End Reliance on Defense : Business: Federal grant of $250,000 is designed to help ease Van Nuys company's transition to producing consumer goods.
- A First-Class Landmark : East 1st Street in Little Tokyo Gains National Historic Status
- Panhandlers R Us: We've received reports of...
- AMERICAN LEAGUE ROUNDUP : Gil Puts Bat, Glove in Place for Rangers
- THE O.J. SIMPSON MURDER TRIAL : Is the Truth Live or on Videotape?
- VENTURA : Dog to Survive Brutal Beating by Burglars
- MISSION VIEJO : New Company to Haul Residential Trash
- 7 Officers Hospitalized After Being Sprayed by Suspect
- Hearing Delayed for 3 Youths in Stabbing
- Bowe's Future Is on the Line Against Gonzalez in Las Vegas
- Dunn Gets Flattened by Ruling : Track and field: CSUN javelin thrower settles for 10th place after her longest throw is invalidated.
- Alive and Kicking : Salsa Sees South O.C. as a Chance to Gain Solid Base for Soccer
- AAH...Domestic Bliss : We CAN do it. We CAN turn our home and garden into a sanctuary, a refuge, a thing of beauty. Just subscribe to the hottest shelter magazines.
- Echoes of King Case Surround Death in S.F.
- PASADENA : Strange Odor Prompts Evacuation at Pacific Bell
- Countywide : House Panel OKs Full Flood-Control Request
- FULLERTON : Petition Aims to Stop 4 Police Officer Cuts
- Jaguar ! : Buckle up for a look at this summer's theme park offerings: a new water playground and a one-of-a-kind roller coaster
- Telecom Reform: A Long Way From Coming Into Focus : Legislation: The gap between House and Senate versions of the bill is wide. But Wall Street is happy already.
- 150 Bank of America Employees to Be Transferred From O.C. to L.A.
- ASIA : Kobe: From Nightmares to Dreams : Five months after the quake, the rebuilding process is well on its way. Planners hope to sculpt a new city, unfettered by the confines of the past.
- Analysis Finds Clinton's Budget Plan Optimistic : Politics: Nonpartisan congressional analysis sees deficit remaining near $200 billion through 2005. White House remains confident with projections.
- Latest Mexico Wiretap Scandal Spurs Move to Curb Widespread Practice : Latin America: Sex and spies case focuses new attention on government espionage.
- COSTA MESA : Mesa Consolidated Water District Reduces Rate Hike
- Expo to Teach Preparation for Disasters
- Simi Faces Decisions on What Quake Repair Efforts to OK for Funds : Grants: Report recommends that the council give city projects priority over those of nonprofit groups for a share of $778,956 in federal dollars.
- The L. A. Ad Campaign, Part Deux (Citizen-Style)
- HEALING MASS: Catholic charismatic prayer groups from...
- Sunland Man Recalls Mexico Nightmare : Prison: Retiree mistaken for a tax evader spends nearly two weeks in a cold, cramped Tijuana jail cell. But he's not bitter.
- THOUSAND OAKS : Officers, Celebrities in Charity Ballgame
- VENTURA : Library Tax May Appear on Ballot
- Haz-Mat Cleanup Crews Plan to Unite : Safety: Teams from five fire departments prepare to join forces in an effort to provide quicker and more efficient response.
- PORT HUENEME : Drugs, Cash Seized in Raid; 9 Arrested
- COLLECTIBLES : Advertising Items an Easy Sell
- Suspect in Alabama School Arson Pleads Not Guilty
- Adviser Is Seldom Seen, Often Heeded by Clinton : Policy: Dick Morris' low-profile, centrist influence on President confounds both Democrats and his GOP clients.
- UCI FERTILITY SCANDAL : Doctors Didn't Report Cash Payments, Ex-Clerk Alleges : Inquiry: Employee, on stress leave, contends they asked her to record the funds as 'adjustments,' not as income.
- SIMI VALLEY : Steve Frank Begins Assembly Campaign
- Academy Award-winning actor Anthony Hopkins and actress...
- MOVIESSuperficial Gains: The Directors Guild of America...
- BASEBALL / DAILY REPORT : AROUND THE MAJORS : Torre Fired, Jorgensen Named
- Theater Review : 'Women of Guernica' Adds Nazis, Flamenco to Euripides
- Delay OKd in Bomb Suspect's Indictment
- A Chilly Rain Breaks Record of 66 Years
- INSIDE & OUT : STILL WRIGHT
- Mayors Seek to Educate Congress on Block Grants
- VAN NUYS : Two Teachers Help Youngsters Mind Manners
- COMPTON : Funeral Scheduled for Boy Fatally Mauled by Dogs
- LAGUNA HILLS : Man Shot in Leg Sues Security Guard and Savings and Loan
- Cubs' Johnson Wins It With Zeal : Baseball: After hearing about acquisition of Zeile, he beats Dodgers with two-run homer in ninth, 2-0.
- CSUN Signs Hart's James
- Boy Buried in Quake Rubble Freed
- BURBANK : Students Turn Lives Around and Graduate
- HUNTINGTON BEACH : Gospel's Message to Be Spread at Revival
- Cypress Voters Face 1 Recall--Possibly 2 More : Elections: Petitions against mayor and a councilwoman are certified. Others are in works.
- SHERMAN OAKS : Garcetti to Address Homeowner Meeting
- Allen Fires 10 GOP Staffers Loyal to Brulte : Politics: The Speaker says they did not 'adapt well to the new program.' One accuses her of trying to 'neuter' the party caucus.
- Shrinking Brotherhood : Waiting List for Companions to Fatherless Boys Keeps Growing
- Obituaries : * John C. Crump; Insurance Agent, Elks Member
- 10 Area Players Honored : Baseball: Canale, Wilson, Luderer, Riordan and Scott on All-Southern Section's Division I squad.
- Did Kings' Owners Fail to Live Up to Bargain?
- They Do It Because They Kin : For Cajun Accordionists Queen Ida and Sheryl Cormier, Loved Ones and Music Go Hand in Hand
- Taiwanese Climber Dies on Mt. McKinley; 4 Others Rescued
- Pentagon Seeks to Resume Underground Nuclear Tests : Defense: Experiments are necessary, officials say. But others contend they could set back arms control efforts.
- CALABASAS : City Seeks Developer to Revamp a Creek
- THOUSAND OAKS : Benefit to Help Fund Search for Businessman
- Jury Urges Death Penalty for Killer of 2 Compton Officers
- Multicultural Manners : Talking Slow or Talking Down?
- HUNTINGTON BEACH : 'Fiber Arts on the Hill' at Newland House
- Nuts, Bolts & Brains : Engineering: UC Irvine graduating seniors' team projects demonstrate how technology and schematics can come together to solve real human problems.
- Pedestrian Hit by Car, Hospitalized
- USC Medical School Announces Pay Cuts, Layoffs : Finances: Faculty, staff will bear brunt of $11.2 million in budget cuts. Potential closure of County-USC poses an even bigger threat.
- Science Gives New Life to Part of Dead Sea Scrolls : Scripture: A JPL scientist uses digital imaging to get a better look at previously indecipherable passages in the ancient texts.
- Poppin' Up : A Very B.I.G. Chart Debut Beats 'Scream'
- Pro-Tax Hike Group Has Big Edge in Funds
- Reform Judaism Links Its Future to Change : Religion: The movement has gained popularity by moving with the times. But it still grapples with fundamental questions.
- HUNTINGTON BEACH : Man Killed Crossing Beach Boulevard
- New AIDS Panelists Share Commitment to Fighting Disease : Health: Presidential appointees come from varied backgrounds, but all offer moving stories of friends lost to illness.
- Authorities Seek Hit-Run Driver in Fatal Crash
- Felon Attacks His Lawyer in Courtroom : Violence: Veteran defense attorney is unhurt in the assault with a makeshift plastic knife. Judge orders county marshal's office to investigate how the inmate snuck the weapon into the Santa Ana court.
- Graduation Ceremonies Weather Cloudbursts : Education: Newbury Park event marred by attack on principal. Stormy skies force Westlake commencement indoors.
- The Latest Olympic Victory Is Golden for USOC's Budget
- Injury Knocks Woods Out of U.S. Open : Golf: He is forced to withdraw on the sixth hole after spraining his wrist while hitting out of tall grass.
- Johnson Dances Away Record : Track and field: Sprinter regrets "ballet" finish in winning 400; Marsh and Torrance capture 100 meters and Lewis fails to qualify.
- RETAILING
- IBM Under Gerstner
- NEWS ANALYSIS : In the Russian Heartland, Echoes of Oklahoma City
- Accused Officer Gives Account of Shoot Down : Military: Capt. Jim Wang, charged in downing of two U.S helicopters over Iraq, says he would have stopped mission. Twenty-six died.
- LOS ANGELES : Youth Organizations Win Federal Education Grants
- Lincoln Club Supports Allen Recall : Politics: The Orange County GOP organization earmarks $50,000 for the effort. Although the Speaker was welcome to attend the group's meeting, she declined.
- SIMI VALLEY : Group to Fight Plans for Nude Dance Club
- Workshop Slated on Using City Resources
- His orders were to warn those who weren't Fry's customers to move and to call the tow truck if they refused. : Parking Feud Stirs a Lot of Acrimony on the L.A. Asphalt
- ORANGE : Teachers OK Contract Board Expected to Nix
- Will They Deliver to the Bench?
- INSIDE & OUT : Take Down Closet Door to Attach Big Mirror
- Wet Weather Aids Sierra Firefighters
- BREA : Woman Dies in Crash; Friend Charged With Felony Drunk Driving
- VENTURA : Agreement Closer on Film-Retail Complex
- GLENDALE : Activists Blast Rogan for Vote on Gun Ban
- Bishops Debate Latest Translation for Liturgy : Conference: Among issues being decided by the Roman Catholic clergy on English wording are questions such as: Should the church be 'her' or 'it'?
- McCallum Loses Decision, Title to Tiozzo
- Writing Is on Wall, Ball Over It : Dodgers: Johnson's homer in ninth beats L.A., but he probably lost job to Zeile.
- Family : Jaguar! Offers More Purr
- Jack Prather Chooses Words Wisely
- Ralphs Says It Will Shut 15 Stores : Supermarkets: About 500 employees will be reassigned.
- ECONOMY
- Immigrant Kills Wife, Self; Injured Girl Is Hospitalized
- Reward Offered in Hunt for Guard's Killers
- HUNTINGTON BEACH : Medical Offices Evacuated Over Fumes
- Sunland Man Recalls Mexico Nightmare : Prison: Retiree mistaken for an accused tax evader spends nearly two weeks in a Tijuana jail cell. But he's not bitter.
- AGOURA HILLS : Banker, 89, Is a Teller of Tales of Great Interest
- Ballet Review : Third 'Cinderella' by Stowell Shows Suppleness and Grace
- U.S. and Japan Are Trading Misreadings of Each Other : News analysis: Japanese taken aback at Clinton's firmness, observers say, while U.S. overlooks political shift abroad.
- Fighting Erupts Amid Russian Hostage Crisis
- FAA Probing State-of-the-Art Radar System at Miami Airport
- Whistles Fail to Slow Bullfrogs : Roller hockey: Anaheim penalized 11 times during 13-6 victory over Phoenix.
- BERNIE MILLIGAN ALL-STAR BASEBALL GAME : Big Hit Leaves Serr Slap-Happy : Kennedy Catcher Basking in Afterglow of Title-Clinching Homer
- Tradition Gets Devil of a Test : Stanley Cup finals: Detroit has a storied past, but New Jersey has a tough defense.
- THE O.J. SIMPSON MURDER TRIAL
- Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli; Classical Pianist
- Dyck's Move No Mistake by the Lake : Basketball Coach Makes Fast Break From L.A. for Slower Pace in Idaho
- TV Review : Geographic Lens Not Focused on Bridges
- Unglued and Glad : Stan Ridgway, No Longer 'Stuck' With His Label, Seems to Be Running on an Adrenaline High
- World Title Co. Seized by State for Insolvency
- HUNTINGTON BEACH : Reserved Seating for July 4 Parade Available
- SANTA ANA : Parking Limits Sought Near Foothill High
- Man Killed and 2 Others Hurt in Head-On Crash
- LOS ANGELES : Boys Honored for Role in Firefighting Program
- Graduation Ceremonies Weather Cloudbursts : Education: Camarillo High School moves indoors for commencement; controversy marks Oxnard's event.
- NATIONAL LEAGUE ROUNDUP : Benes Loser, Winner, and on the Same Day
- SWIMMING / MISSION VIEJO MEET OF CHAMPIONS : Victory Does Wonders for Evans' Confidence
- Wheeeeeeeee! Forever : Hurricane Harbor : Buckle up for a look at this summer's theme park offerings: a new water playground and a one-of-a-kind roller coaster
- Six to Play at Oklahoma Baseball Event
- Rockets Still the Choice of the Older Generation
- Use of Transit Funds Questioned
- Students Need Physical Education
- Mobile Home Rent Increases Unfair
- Negative Votes Result of Costs
- The Bad Rap on Christo's Wrap Act
- Citizenship Testing on a Local Level
- Christian Business Listings Exclusionary
- NCAA, Don't Mess With West Coast Baseball
- If Al Davis Is Seeking Guidance, Here's Some
- Gutter Talking in 'Class'
- Risque at 8 p.m.
- As Mantle Recovers, Some Fans Are Still on Very Critical List
- Assume Not the Groom Suffers Not
- Consider the Facts of Fatal Accident
- At Rose Bowl, He Didn't Have Ghost of a Chance
- Unhappy Kings' Fan Goes on the Offensive
- School Board Wasn't Listening
- This Baseball Fan Has a Case of the Blues
- Obituaries - June 17, 1995
- Obituaries - June 17, 1995
- UCI Director's Practices, Priorities Are Questioned
- G-7 Vows to Avert World Recession, Stop Dollar's Fall
- Court Upholds Microsoft's Antitrust Pact
- Simpson Prosecutors Focus on Shrinkage of Gloves : Courts: Witness says moisture would cause the problem. Clark, Dershowitz clash over dwindling jury.
- Police Panel Reacts to Attacks' on Its Members : Politics: Board says allegations involving their activities in Las Vegas are an effort to deflect attention from complaints about chief. Williams formally asks council to overturn his reprimand.
- Countywide : Dead Carp, Wet Grads Left in Storm's Wake
- Storm Threatens Homes, School : Rain: Floodwaters undermine property and cause power outages amid record cold for the date. Two people die in weather-related crashes.
- NEWS ANALYSIS : THE O.J. SIMPSON MURDER TRIAL : New Positions Emerge on Using Undersized Jury : Defense drops vow to allow a panel of fewer than 12, while prosecution says it is leaning toward accepting such a reduced group.
- AT JIMMY'S HOUSE: He didn't get many...